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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 566 for the 25th of

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August 2019 which 'red saunders here

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with you coming to you this week once

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again from the San Francisco Bay Area

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coming up on this week's show I catch up

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with some people I first met way back in

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2012 is Sheila and Janet from Turkey now

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living in the Bay Area and active

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skeptics not only in the Bay Area but

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around the world and especially in

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Turkey via their podcast find out more

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when I interview issue and Janet at the

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top of the show following that join me

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as I walk up College Avenue for a couple

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of kilometers into Berkeley looking for

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whoo looking for interesting shall we

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say interesting claims along the way on

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shop fronts it's always struck me when I

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visit the the Bay Area that every now

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and then you'll come across a psychic

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there were but what else can we find as

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we walk along the streets of Berkeley

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then after that its susan gerbic from

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia now

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susan will give us an update on some of

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the projects that she and her team are

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working on right now on wikipedia then

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to round off the show a story from the

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pages of the skeptic full moon and empty

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heads by Barry Williams all about the

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the belief that the full moon can affect

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people's moods and behaviors stay tuned

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at the end of the show for more

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announcements from me but now it's time

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for me to run upstairs and I think I

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will have a melted cheese bagel melted

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cheese on a bagel

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sounds okay while I'm doing that I hope

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you enjoy the skeptic zone folks way

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back in 2012 I was at the amazing

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meeting and I met a couple of people and

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and I thought what they would make an

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interesting interview little did I know

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all these years later I'd be sitting at

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their dining room table

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feasting easting on a wonderful Turkish

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dinner and with a Rob Roy Thank You Jay

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you're very welcome

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mm-hmm to get to that later I with a

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zeal is that right or hadisha issue yes

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you ship and Jeanette that's great

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yes Janine do you need no it's like a

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dove June so it is easier to know it

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yeah perfect I remember that now we

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spoke all those years ago you're both

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from Turkey and you're both now living

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in the United States obviously and just

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then when we spoke you were starting at

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a podcast I think all those years ago

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please bring us up to date sure I think

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when we spoke which was I believe seven

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years ago and we were I mean June 8th

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scientific skepticism blog a couple of

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years before we interviewed at that time

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all of that happened and we're still

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ongoing with our group where the our

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activities are still ongoing and we just

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celebrated our tenth year as the Ellen

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Savar which is a Turkish scientific

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sceptical blog one cheer from the back

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of the road

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well that's fantastic but you're still

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doing podcasting yes yes we are we are

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not very regular and so the last episode

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that is kind of a deliberate choice we

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quality instead of you know trying to

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to share so we are not very very alertly

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still active we have been very regular

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all Turkish faults but like spread

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challenging because one of us are

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moved to England this year so we had to

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like give a little bit of your heater's

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mahabad turocy which can be trusted like

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a conversation theory like the name it's

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also a chickpea damages open science yes

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up-to-date issues and news and what is

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bigger yeah I think it caught up in the

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plus million hits and podcasts like any

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thousand downloads and a lot of like

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carry on okay so they were they actually

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presentation so it's like skeptics in

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the word popular subjects that people

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skeptics we're all looking over the dr.

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eugenie sky is everything and that must

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be I hope and I trust it must be a

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the financing and Treasury work but I

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skeptic al last year but I've also been

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statute of limitation I've reached my

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limit sadly who would see but isn't it

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wonderful because I've known you now

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listening you to your podcast and doing

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reason behind our podcast being so

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popular in Turkey that we are sharing

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the information we are therefore sitting

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to Turkish and bringing up that moment

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that made me very happy in the last year

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I think we came to a point after ten

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years like anything from like being a

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website and a podcast to become a little

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bit more I would say almost like a

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respected opinion in in like overall

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Turkish media so a couple of examples

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last year we were called we were we were

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invited by a medical school which

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happens to be the medical school I

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graduated from to give a two full days

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seminar to medical students on

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science-based skepticism and

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science-based medical team and critical

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thinking and this was like a full like

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weekend invitation to us and they told

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us like come please come and then create

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a curriculum and you know come up with

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with a plan and then you know just it's

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like two days is yours they gave us

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space in the School of Medicine and it

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was a pretty good conference space and

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we had with we had 200 people showed up

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and not only medical students from the

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school that invited us we end up getting

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people from like surrounding other

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medical schools we got ended up getting

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like academicians like professors and at

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the end of the

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conference actually we got in petitions

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to three other medical schools to come

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and do something similar to them in a

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week in about a month after that I got

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an invitation from my another medical

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school in Turkey this time from Ankara

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and they asked because I gave two

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presentations in that workshop and many

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of our friends give other presentations

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so we covered things like you know

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fundamentals of critical thinking

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anti-vaccine movement you know energy

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hoaxes and scams we talked about

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naturalistic policy and how to evaluate

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claims in both media newspapers even in

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science journals like how do you tell a

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journal is really or Journal article is

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really worth you know worthwhile or is

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it just like a you know article to be

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published so another another professor

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from another medical school reached out

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to us and asked us to repeat the

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anti-vaccine presentation so I gave a

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WebEx to like another hundred med school

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students and then I ended up like

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publishing an anti vaccine article in

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one of the journals in Turkey so this

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makes us very proud that we I think now

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we're kind of like beyond just being a

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blog or a podcast like people do look at

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us and you know invite us as experts in

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this area and give you know like talks

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or educate students which is amazing is

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a trusted source yeah because there are

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lots of misinformation happening in

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Turkey as well just like every other

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place in job I'm not I'm not at all

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surprised yeah well finally we're we're

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almost finally almost where can people

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go online to find out your information

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your blog your podcast first they need

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to be native or they need to be Turkish

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speakers native or like they should be

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able to understand Turkish language

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because we do blog and create content in

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Turkish which is very rare to find in

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Turkish language so if they know and

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they speak Turkish table one nice thing

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about Turkish is a phonetic language so

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as long as you you can hear the divert

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you know how to write it so don't worry

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folks links in the show notes okay and

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then if they just want if they don't

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speak Turkish and if they just want to

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have some fun they can still go to the

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website and put it in Google Translate

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and it just makes the tailor and also I

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like to give the the address of the the

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other podcasts that are two members are

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you are doing so it's a chip bloom a

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chip in calm

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is it calm or I don't know that but I I

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think it's competition so a lot of our

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actually means so we we were looking for

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a name and our criteria was that it

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should be easy to say it should be very

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Turkish and then it should not have any

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special Turkish characters which both

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June 8th and I suffer day to day because

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of our name because they have Turkish

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characters so you know it's kind of like

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hard to type in whatever keyboard you

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are using so we picked that because the

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alarm means lie in Turkish and so our

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means like deflect or and it's also a

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wordplay it's like a pawn because what's

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what's the name of Chuck silver what's

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the name of that anti clean or

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anti-missile you know like you have

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these anti-aircraft yes sir so

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anti-aircraft are Chuck's of are which

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means you know plane so are so it's like

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gets rid of the planes so we thought we

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will just make it like yellow so our

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which is very much similar amount of the

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coin it does not actually like the mo or

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violent part of it it's more like

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repellant

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to explain you know when the name is

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upon it's kind of like Lula this

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listeners get it right yes turkey

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sisters would know what the Alonzo are

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and speaking about Turkish listeners to

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round up round off this interview please

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please give a message in Turkish for our

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Turkish listeners they're looking at me

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like what you say I need to switch my

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mind to church which is kind of Aaron is

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account Italian Dora Luna my rocket your

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Webley dollar door Luna nozzle today

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the genius in you and town lunar a

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mixture saunas alas are knocked all

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cadres to Nikita did it they are a lot

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of our podcasts need nib physical

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abilities Quran la Llana tokamak Danza

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Gillman Jack McKean the birth knowing so

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I guess that's a good thing the Turkish

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version off it's better to curse it's

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better to light a candle than to curse

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the darkness in our website and our logo

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is a burning candle excellent well so

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nice to see you again and I look forward

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to catching up with you both again very

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soon yep yep we'd love to meet you again

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[Music]

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Alaura ciao mi chiamo profesora de vo

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tuvalu incendiary - teleca's su licencia

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para la moda physica nikki Myka Volodya

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astronomia Mathematica atonte ultra cosy

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guarda miss Sulu tuba arrivederci

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hey everyone this is Professor Dave I

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want to teach you about all kinds of

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things regarding science I want to tell

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you about physics I want to tell you

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about chemistry biology astronomy math

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and many many more things come check me

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out on youtube the channel is called

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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I am on a bus bumping along outside of

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the San Francisco area not too far

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outside I'm heading for Berkeley

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wonderful crazy fantastic fascinating

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Berkeley I'm gonna walk a couple of

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kilometres into Berkeley and see what

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whoo

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strange things I can find along the way

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see what whoosh shops what new-age

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things jump out at me I wonder what I

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[Laughter]

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now I'm in the little town of Rock Ridge

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walking up College Avenue this street

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will take me eventually after some

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kilometres into Berkeley and I didn't

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have to go long to find something

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interesting it's a shop front with a big

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poster out the front big sign Bremen the

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art of being present it says dreamer

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intensive and weekend workshops the art

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of being present dreamer bodywork Brima

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self prima exercises and the nine

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principles of harmony are natural

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expressions of the unifying principle of

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existence it's good to know

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they provide ideal support for

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practicing mind-body connection and the

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art of being present both new and

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experienced students from around the

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world study at Braemar weekends and

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weekends and intensive to benefit from

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Remus practical approach to living

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harmoniously there we go

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and that can be found at Bremer comm and

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they look like they're coming here in

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November well that's a new one on me

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just waiting at the corner of the street

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now for the lights to change so I can

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cross over and keep going there's a

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little note and I wonder if my listeners

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in California might agree or maybe have

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noticed that I'm guessing from my

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experience driving around the San

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Francisco area that maybe 50% of drivers

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actually indicate maybe 60% of drivers

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many simply don't use the end of their

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indicator it's quite amazing and I guess

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in a strange way you get used to it

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you always have to think what that car

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what's that car going to do are they

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going left or right because a lot of the

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well the next interesting one we've come

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across not too far up the street here

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reboot float in cryo spa

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what is cryo therapy whole body

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cryotherapy exposes your skin to minus

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200 degrees Fahrenheit air for 2 to 3

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minutes hmm

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the body's cold shock response provides

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powerful healing and recovery for both

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the body and the mind

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we also offer local cryo to target a

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specific area and cryo facials to

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rejuvenate your skin and fight signs of

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aging good grief

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and you also provide a float tank now

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many years ago I tried out a float tank

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now I'm just pausing a little I guess

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it's a cafe yes urban urban remedy

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certified organic gluten-free non-gmo

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meal snacks juices teas and cleansers

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well if you'd like to buy something with

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this gluten free and non-gmo I wonder

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how they determine that good luck you

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and I've made it to Telegraph street in

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the University here

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and I was a little bit I guess

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disappointed would be the wrong word I

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didn't say these psychic shops on my

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trip up here

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but I haven't given up yet so I'm going

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to wander down Telegraph a little ways

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I've changed microphones by the way to

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look a little less conspicuous and for

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those who are interested I'm using my

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iPhone with a popping filter and all the

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world looks like I'm chatting on my

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phone although it looks a bit odd with a

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I can only guess it's orientation week

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here because I'm passing dozens and

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dozens and dozens of but I guess the

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students new students here to Berkeley

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all wearing millennion which says cow on

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it and being taken around by tool guides

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aha alright so here I am at the corner

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of Telegraph and Lake for those of you

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following at home on your map and right

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on the corner here we have it's quite

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interesting it's like an interesting

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shop and I guess I've hit paydirt here

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folks oh man

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oh boy neon sign chakra cleansing it's

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also a TV and electronic store so I'm

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not sure how that works

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that's around the corner fortune teller

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psychic palm tarot reader in neon signs

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at the front fortune teller love

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marriage relation business bring your

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problems to me 100% guarantee solved and

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the phone number and the funding to be

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or some informations also repeated in

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Chinese the next hour little sign here

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same thing fortune teller love marriage

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relation business and we have another

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sign with a palm with an eye on it and

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the first parts in Chinese I assume in

547
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the second part says faith will help you

548
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control your destiny leave your worries

549
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pain and loneliness behind change your

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luck and improve your love life and

551
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future by consulting a caring

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professional psychic who truly

553
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understands your needs whatever your

554
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dreams may be I one who wrote this find

555
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our find our how find out how it's I'm

556
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reading it right find out how to achieve

557
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success and Happiness faith will help

558
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:01,470
you through love money reunite the

559
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sickness and sexual problems and huh

560
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faith will not ask you she will tell you

561
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why you call she will call out your

562
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friends enemies and loved ones by name

563
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so of course faith is the name of the

564
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psychic I guess faith has helped

565
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thousands across the world let her help

566
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you see results within 24 hours

567
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guaranteed in we're at two five five six

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Telegraph Avenue Berkeley open seven

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days so there you go my search has been

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successful I found the classic

571
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palm reader Tarot store right here in

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Berkeley with neon signs and chakra

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cleansing

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the Surf Coast summer spring skeptic

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camp

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14th of September this Surf Coast summer

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spring skeptic camp s cssc is

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Australia's longest-running skeptic camp

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this year we are celebrating our seventh

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year if you want to share something on a

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skeptically related topic in which you

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are interested highlight some practices

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that you see is dubious and need to be

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brought to the attention of the

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skeptical community please offer to

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share your thoughts this is a sharing

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event where many contributors can

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combine to make a great day the event is

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free however please provide your own

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lunch but don't worry there are plenty

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of options

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locally tea coffee and biscuits will be

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provided all day that's Saturday the

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14th of September 2019 10:30 a.m. to

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4:00 p.m.

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the location is Aries in that community

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hall six Great Ocean Road aireys inlet

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Victoria office to present should be

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made to the skeptic groups of Victoria

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email address at SG o f v IC at

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gmail.com and to register just follow

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the Surf Coast summer/spring Skippy camp

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Australia's longest-running skeptic mmm

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I think we need to think here susan

606
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gerbic hello all its susan gerbic from

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the GSO w guerrilla skepticism on

608
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wikipedia project i wanted to share with

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you a few highlights of the wikipedia

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work my team has been working on I

611
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should mention that we are involved with

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small changes all the time adding

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citations photos video also reverting

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vandalism and general cleanup the most

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visual things we do are complete

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rewrites and new page creation since we

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have existed as a team we have written

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1117 pages in many languages and those

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1117 pages have been viewed over 47

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million times very cool I know how

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so trying to choose pages to talk to you

622
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about coming quite difficult but maybe a

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first up is a wikipedia page written by

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editor john Gaytan he was inspired to

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write this page after listening to the

626
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skeptic zone episode 5 1 7 and I'm

627
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surprised this page didn't already exist

628
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detoxification foot baths every time

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I've gone for a pedicure the staff

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offers us to me and I thought I heard it

631
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was a scam but you know I didn't really

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know why so after reading the Wikipedia

633
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page I know why you put your feet in

634
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this water and after a few minutes the

635
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water turns color usually a brown color

636
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and they say that the foot bath is

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removing toxins and if the water is

638
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brown then it's from the liver you're

639
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having your cellular energy rebalanced

640
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apparently sorry to spoil the party but

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what happens is water saltwater

642
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the machine has electric current run to

643
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electrode array which causes rest this

644
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happens quite quickly in a process

645
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called electrolysis the reaction happens

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regardless or not if your feet are in

647
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the water you know it's it doesn't

648
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matter if your feet are there or not

649
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moving on I and others have been

650
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concerned with the glowing Wikipedia

651
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articles written about people who use

652
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facilitated communication to communicate

653
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and that word communicate is in quotes

654
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if you don't know what facilitated

655
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:23,090
communication is then spend some time

656
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reading all about it on the terrific

657
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Wikipedia page we wrote years ago what

658
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:29,330
is going on is that facilitated

659
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:31,490
communication is a proven pseudoscience

660
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:34,370
the supporters think nonverbal people

661
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are able to type if they just have

662
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someone hold their hand or guide them

663
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like a pointer or a Ouija board once

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these people are using facilitated

665
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communication they suddenly can write

666
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poetry and engage in long conversations

667
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far above their schooling level what is

668
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:52,940
happening is that the facilitator is

669
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actually doing the typing anyway we have

670
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been going through Wikipedia pages for

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these facilitated communication users

672
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and challenging the Wikipedia pages for

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their accuracy the facilitator is the

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author of the poetry or the book or the

675
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:10,460
essay not the facilitated communication

676
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:13,730
user several of the wikipedia pages have

677
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been deleted or merged into other

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articles

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this has had the facilitated

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communication community very upset as

681
00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:23,780
you can imagine but until they can show

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some serious evidence showing that it

683
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actually works then the pages will

684
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continue to be deleted or merged one

685
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child has a popular documentary made

686
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about him it's called DJ which is

687
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spelled de ej DJ has graduated college

688
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given lectures directed plays and

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written articles the movie never shows

690
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:47,930
any of this directly happening images

691
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are very close-up shots that don't show

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00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:52,010
him typing independently you'll see his

693
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:53,540
fingers moving but you can't tell that

694
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,670
actually there's someone holding his

695
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hand and guiding him or even if it is

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his own hands sometimes they use a

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computerized voice it's it's supposedly

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his voice you know typing it in and then

699
00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:08,980
it's played over the over the keyboard

700
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,660
communication but we never see that

701
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:14,240
actually being typed in his mother or

702
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:16,070
his facilitator always is by his side

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00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:18,620
holding his hand over the keyboard so

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00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:20,570
who is actually doing the communication

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00:36:27,130 --> 00:36:24,410
it's a total heart melting story so as

706
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:27,140
long as you don't think about it much so

707
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:29,270
Craig Foster has just published an

708
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exhaustive review of the documentary

709
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:34,940
called DJ of vu haha clever huh

710
00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:38,300
DJ Ubu which calls in questioned the

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authorship and explains the history of

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00:36:45,730 --> 00:36:42,560
facilitated community education and its

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00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:45,740
lack of scientific vigour now gso w

714
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,230
editors Rob gutentag and Rob Palmer

715
00:36:52,990 --> 00:36:50,510
updated the DJ Wikipedia page with

716
00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:53,000
Foster's review so now people are

717
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:54,740
reading about DJ we'll get a lot more

718
00:36:59,050 --> 00:36:56,420
understanding of what is actually going

719
00:37:00,820 --> 00:36:59,060
on the Wikipedia page for the book I

720
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returned to love which is written by

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u.s. presidential candidate marianne

722
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:06,320
williamson got a rewrite by gsa w

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00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:09,650
editors Wyatt Smith and Rob Palmer the

724
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:11,240
full name of the book might make its

725
00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:13,910
contents clear a return to love

726
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:16,040
reflections on the principles of A

727
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:19,610
Course in Miracles mind-body

728
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:21,650
interventions is a wikipedia page that

729
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:23,600
received a rewrite by editor Patrick

730
00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:25,640
this describes health and fitness

731
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:27,830
interventions that are supposed to work

732
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:30,650
like yoga tai chi hypnotist

733
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:32,690
prayer and all the therapies like dance

734
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:35,570
art music this is not feeling good kind

735
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:37,070
of therapy but they claim something

736
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:38,930
that's like the medical community has

737
00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:41,360
deemed pseudoscience it's all a bit

738
00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:43,460
confusing to explain and Patrick said it

739
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,340
was a bear to rewrite so check it out

740
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,280
and that was called mind-body

741
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:52,400
interventions before I give you one more

742
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,410
I'd like to mention that very rarely do

743
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:56,240
we have to deal with vandalism or people

744
00:38:00,010 --> 00:37:58,460
reverting our writings I get this

745
00:38:01,810 --> 00:38:00,020
question all the time you would think

746
00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:01,820
we'd spend all our time protecting our

747
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,520
work but gso w editors are people just

748
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:06,800
like you many joined our team after

749
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:09,650
hearing us on the skeptic zone most had

750
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:11,690
no special experience with coding or

751
00:38:17,110 --> 00:38:14,810
anything related to editing Wikipedia we

752
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:17,120
specialized in training from the very

753
00:38:21,730 --> 00:38:19,130
basics it can only take a few months

754
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:21,740
which is a few months but when you're

755
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:23,030
done you will know that what you're

756
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:24,770
doing and it's very difficult to push

757
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,770
back and in either work we do so lastly

758
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:30,160
this is a very Australian Wikipedia page

759
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:33,110
editors Julian Harold Baron from the

760
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:36,290
Brisbane skeptics love to travel GS o W

761
00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:38,330
does not only focus on pseudoscience but

762
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:41,240
anything related to science avid bird

763
00:38:45,310 --> 00:38:43,550
watchers Julian Harold decided to write

764
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:45,320
the Wikipedia page for a book they used

765
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:48,440
often the Australian bird guide the

766
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:52,070
authors are Mick Horst Rogers and Clark

767
00:38:55,810 --> 00:38:54,110
and it's such a sweet guidebook and it

768
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,820
brings so much joy to bird watchers I'm

769
00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:58,400
glad it now has a Wikipedia page which

770
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,250
should help it get more attention so

771
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:02,480
that's all for now skeptics own

772
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:04,820
listeners this is just a small sample of

773
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:06,890
the important work we can do if you'd

774
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:09,020
like more information you can find us on

775
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:14,450
our website GS owt morgue or on Facebook

776
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:17,090
I will be speaking at saikhan in Las

777
00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:19,460
Vegas in October at the New Zealand

778
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:21,230
skeptics conference at the end of

779
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:23,570
November and skeptic on in early

780
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:26,500
December please come out and say hi

781
00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:34,320
[Music]

782
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,780
the earth is only six thousand years old

783
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:39,700
that's what Answers in Genesis and the

784
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:42,790
Creation Museum say and how can a museum

785
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:46,990
be wrong isn't dr. oz just wonderful I

786
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:49,810
will love today's episode it didn't talk

787
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:52,210
down to his adoring audience of women at

788
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:54,940
all science has proved that the

789
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:57,340
subatomic quantum realm is as real as it

790
00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,950
is counterintuitive and bizarre

791
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:01,300
therefore I can use it to support

792
00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:02,710
quantum healing and quantum

793
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:05,350
consciousness after all how can journals

794
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:07,380
like Aquarius metaphysics be wrong

795
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,210
evolution is just a theory after all if

796
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:11,920
we came from monkeys then why are there

797
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:14,770
still monkeys we all have friends and

798
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:16,510
family who believe these things and much

799
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:19,150
more well if you're a rational thinker

800
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:21,250
who is tired of arguing on social media

801
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:23,020
and never getting anywhere we have a

802
00:40:26,099 --> 00:40:24,070
solution for you

803
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:26,109
join the guerrilla skepticism on

804
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:28,570
wikipedia team and we will teach you how

805
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:30,970
to add reliable scientific and skeptical

806
00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:32,890
information to the world's number-one

807
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:36,040
source of information Wikipedia we write

808
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:38,020
new articles and improve existing ones

809
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:40,540
we remove pseudoscience paranormal and

810
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:42,700
altmed claims substituting the actual

811
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:44,890
facts and we operate in many languages

812
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:47,560
we've already reached tens of millions

813
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:49,930
of people searching for information but

814
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:51,910
as you can imagine we can never do

815
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:55,000
enough so please join us all you need is

816
00:40:59,849 --> 00:40:57,310
a PC and the desire to help educate the

817
00:41:02,730 --> 00:40:59,859
planet in fact you'll be educating the

818
00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:02,740
world while you sleep contact us at t--

819
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:06,460
is w team at gmail.com guerrilla

820
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:09,820
skepticism the time is now music by

821
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:11,130
purple planet calm

822
00:41:28,549 --> 00:41:26,690
it's time once again to dive into the

823
00:41:30,799 --> 00:41:28,559
pages of the skeptic the journal from

824
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:30,809
Australian skeptics this week we're

825
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:35,880
going back to 1991 volume 11 number 3 on

826
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:39,020
page 8 an article by Barry Williams

827
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,319
full-moon and empty heads a commonly

828
00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:52,440
held belief has it that various social

829
00:41:57,769 --> 00:41:54,990
phenomena are associated with the phases

830
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,779
of the Moon such as the strength of this

831
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:00,480
belief achieving folklore status in many

832
00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:03,480
societies that it is accepted almost

833
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,670
without question especially by the

834
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:08,000
popular media

835
00:42:14,269 --> 00:42:11,130
[Music]

836
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,279
there are at least two possible reasons

837
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:17,579
why this belief is so strongly held it

838
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,660
may be that it is true or it may be that

839
00:42:28,549 --> 00:42:24,960
some other factor is in play and makes

840
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:28,559
it appear to be true a number of studies

841
00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:31,079
have been conducted into this assumed

842
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,349
phenomenon some of which purport to show

843
00:42:40,009 --> 00:42:37,380
that there is some validity in the

844
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:40,019
hypothesis that the phase of the Moon

845
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:41,970
has an effect on such things as

846
00:42:48,049 --> 00:42:45,029
childbirth suicides accidents bleeding

847
00:42:51,140 --> 00:42:48,059
and mental instability many other

848
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,150
studies are unable to show that any such

849
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:54,660
relationship exists details of several

850
00:42:59,719 --> 00:42:56,729
of these studies can be found in the

851
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,729
moon and the maternity ward bellend

852
00:43:03,529 --> 00:43:02,880
Greenspan in paranormal Borderlands of

853
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:03,539
science

854
00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:07,109
Prometheus 1991 and the moon is

855
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:08,849
acquitted of murder in Cleveland in

856
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:11,970
sandal E in science confronts the

857
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:15,450
paranormal prometheus 1986 and in

858
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,210
various back issues of the skeptical

859
00:43:23,989 --> 00:43:21,359
inquirer informal inquiries among

860
00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:23,999
emergency service workers and hospital

861
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:26,849
staff have revealed a belief that when

862
00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:30,569
the moon is full there is an increase in

863
00:43:35,959 --> 00:43:33,329
the number of accidents and in the rate

864
00:43:38,839 --> 00:43:35,969
of bleeding in patients undergoing

865
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,849
surgery other inquiries show that most

866
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:41,640
of the people questioned in common with

867
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:44,940
most of the population at large have no

868
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:48,210
idea of what the phase of the Moon is at

869
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,729
any particular time this raises the

870
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:52,920
suspicion that when any particular

871
00:43:57,979 --> 00:43:54,930
period of increased activity occurs

872
00:44:01,459 --> 00:43:57,989
those involved having cognizance of the

873
00:44:03,499 --> 00:44:01,469
folklore may well assume that it must be

874
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:03,509
full without any real knowledge of

875
00:44:09,769 --> 00:44:06,569
whether or not this is the case if this

876
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:09,779
is true then the lunar effect could

877
00:44:15,229 --> 00:44:12,410
easily achieve the status of a

878
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,239
self-sustaining myth without the benefit

879
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:17,599
of any facts intruding into the case

880
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:20,460
although it would not be easy to prove

881
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,920
it there is a strong suspicion that this

882
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:24,400
very simple X

883
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:26,410
nation can account for most of the

884
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,230
folklore associated with the lunar

885
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:31,480
effect before we seek to discover

886
00:44:38,549 --> 00:44:35,670
whether or not a lunar effect is a

887
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:38,559
reasonable supposition we should

888
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:40,690
consider some of the facts about the

889
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:42,750
moon and its relationship to the earth

890
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:45,970
earth is the only one of the four inner

891
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:49,410
earth-like planets to have a substantial

892
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:53,140
natural satellite Mercury and Venus have

893
00:45:00,240 --> 00:44:56,529
none and Mars has two very small ones

894
00:45:02,730 --> 00:45:00,250
each of the four gas giant planets has a

895
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:02,740
retinue of major and minor satellites

896
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:06,010
and Pluto as far as can be presently

897
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:09,369
ascertained as only one our Moon is a

898
00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:11,710
respectable body being the sixth largest

899
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:14,559
of all the satellites and is larger than

900
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:18,160
the planet Pluto the moon travels in an

901
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:21,609
elliptical orbit around Earth or to be

902
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:23,710
more accurate both the earth and the

903
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:26,049
moon orbit about a point called the

904
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:28,930
barycenter which is located in a direct

905
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:30,609
line between the Centers of the two

906
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:32,770
bodies and about one third of the

907
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:35,049
distance between Earth's surface and its

908
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:38,260
center and its closest approach perigee

909
00:45:46,529 --> 00:45:43,690
the moon is 354 thousand kilometers from

910
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,539
Earth's center and at its farthest point

911
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:49,599
Apogee it is four hundred and four

912
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:52,210
thousand kilometres away the moon makes

913
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:54,760
one rotation on its axis and one

914
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,730
revolution about earth every twenty

915
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:00,640
seven point three days but because of

916
00:46:05,819 --> 00:46:03,089
the Earth's motion around the Sun one

917
00:46:08,279 --> 00:46:05,829
lunation the period between the

918
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,289
beginning of a particular phase and the

919
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:10,740
next beginning of the same phase is

920
00:46:17,279 --> 00:46:14,410
twenty nine point five three days the

921
00:46:19,319 --> 00:46:17,289
moon's orbit is also tilted at about

922
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:19,329
five degrees to the elliptic the

923
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:22,089
projection of the moon's orbit against

924
00:46:26,609 --> 00:46:24,700
the celestial sphere or the apparent

925
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:26,619
path of the Sun against the background

926
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:29,410
stars this is fortunate for lovers of

927
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:32,500
full moons if it were not so every full

928
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:35,020
moon would occur simultaneously with a

929
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:37,609
lunar eclipse and every new moon

930
00:46:44,529 --> 00:46:41,210
produce a solar eclipse the moonlight we

931
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:44,539
see is only reflected sunlight the moon

932
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,210
having no intrinsic luminosity and as

933
00:46:53,049 --> 00:46:50,180
such its albedo the fraction of incident

934
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,059
light reflected that only approximately

935
00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:55,970
seven percent of the incident sunlight

936
00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:59,420
is reflected to us as moonlight we are

937
00:47:03,759 --> 00:47:00,950
all familiar with the moon's tidal

938
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:03,769
effect on the oceans of the earth which

939
00:47:08,109 --> 00:47:05,660
is a function of gravitational

940
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,119
attraction between the two bodies this

941
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:10,640
effect is directly proportional to the

942
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:13,190
mass of the two bodies and inversely

943
00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:15,410
proportional to the distance between

944
00:47:21,489 --> 00:47:18,680
them less well-known effects of the

945
00:47:24,819 --> 00:47:21,499
tidal interaction are the synchronous or

946
00:47:27,309 --> 00:47:24,829
captured motion of the moon in that it

947
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,319
always presents the same face to the

948
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:29,359
earth and the fact that the dissipation

949
00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:32,089
of tidal energy means that the Earth's

950
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:38,119
rotation is slowing by 0.02 seconds per

951
00:47:44,109 --> 00:47:41,180
century and that this slowing of the

952
00:47:47,319 --> 00:47:44,119
Earth's rotational speed is transferred

953
00:47:50,339 --> 00:47:47,329
by conservation of angular momentum to

954
00:47:54,339 --> 00:47:50,349
the moon causing it to speed up and

955
00:47:56,739 --> 00:47:54,349
recede from the earth by about 4.5

956
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,749
centimeters per year these are the two

957
00:48:02,519 --> 00:47:59,359
main physical effects of the two bodies

958
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:02,529
I make no mention here of the more

959
00:48:07,779 --> 00:48:04,700
psychological effects of moonlight on

960
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:07,789
the more romantic Denison's of Tin Pan

961
00:48:14,259 --> 00:48:11,359
Alley such these lie outside the orbit

962
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:14,269
of this article in the context of the

963
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:17,180
facts mentioned above what does the term

964
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:21,470
full moon mean as moonlight is reflected

965
00:48:27,569 --> 00:48:24,619
sunlight we see a full moon only when

966
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,579
the Sun Earth and Moon lie in an

967
00:48:32,499 --> 00:48:30,319
approximate straight line with the earth

968
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:32,509
between the other two bodies that is

969
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:34,970
when the sun is shining directly on the

970
00:48:39,759 --> 00:48:38,210
lunar face we can see on the opposite

971
00:48:41,799 --> 00:48:39,769
side of its orbit when the sun is

972
00:48:45,579 --> 00:48:41,809
shining on the side of the moon we never

973
00:48:48,789 --> 00:48:45,589
see we have a new moon when we cannot

974
00:48:51,099 --> 00:48:48,799
see the moon at all actually we can

975
00:48:53,469 --> 00:48:51,109
sometimes see a very faint moon by

976
00:48:55,779 --> 00:48:53,479
reflected earth light the other phases

977
00:48:58,299 --> 00:48:55,789
lie between these two extremes and are

978
00:49:00,880 --> 00:48:58,309
dependent on the angles between the

979
00:49:03,309 --> 00:49:00,890
three bodies one physical effect of the

980
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:03,319
Moon on earth is dependent on the phase

981
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:05,569
of the Moon the height of tides

982
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:09,200
when the Sun Moon and Earth are in a

983
00:49:17,170 --> 00:49:13,940
line either at full or New Moon then we

984
00:49:19,089 --> 00:49:17,180
get spring higher than normal tides this

985
00:49:21,789 --> 00:49:19,099
is caused by the tidal effects of the

986
00:49:24,009 --> 00:49:21,799
Sun and the moon being cumulative at

987
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:24,019
other times when the three-body subtend

988
00:49:30,130 --> 00:49:27,529
and angle other than 180 degrees the

989
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:30,140
solar and lunar tidal effects tend to

990
00:49:35,799 --> 00:49:33,529
ameliorate each other to some extent why

991
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:35,809
the tidal effects between the Earth and

992
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:37,910
the moon may be substantial

993
00:49:43,989 --> 00:49:40,249
these effects of the Moon on a single

994
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:43,999
human being are so minut has to be

995
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:46,729
unmeasurable and this is what we should

996
00:49:52,959 --> 00:49:48,890
be considering when seeking any

997
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:52,969
particular lunar effect on individual

998
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,880
people tidal effect as was mentioned

999
00:50:01,479 --> 00:49:58,640
earlier is a function of gravitational

1000
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:01,489
attraction the gravitational effect of

1001
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:04,130
the earth on each of us is so weak that

1002
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:06,890
we can stand up jump or climb up a

1003
00:50:09,729 --> 00:50:07,249
ladder

1004
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:09,739
despite the entire mass of the earth

1005
00:50:17,769 --> 00:50:13,209
trying to prevent it the moon has only

1006
00:50:20,739 --> 00:50:17,779
181 of the Earth's mass and is 60 times

1007
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,749
as far away from us as is the center of

1008
00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:22,640
the earth not forgetting that the

1009
00:50:26,339 --> 00:50:24,859
gravitational attraction falls off as a

1010
00:50:28,809 --> 00:50:26,349
function of the square of the distance

1011
00:50:32,289 --> 00:50:28,819
showing that the moon's gravitational

1012
00:50:34,989 --> 00:50:32,299
attraction on us is negligible add to

1013
00:50:37,809 --> 00:50:34,999
this the fact that the tidal effect of

1014
00:50:41,739 --> 00:50:37,819
the moon on earth is enhanced when the

1015
00:50:43,749 --> 00:50:41,749
Sun Moon and Earth are in line then if

1016
00:50:47,049 --> 00:50:43,759
gravity has anything to do with this

1017
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,059
lunar effect its effect at new moon

1018
00:50:53,469 --> 00:50:49,940
should be even stronger than at full

1019
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:53,479
moon we should also have a solar effect

1020
00:50:58,499 --> 00:50:56,089
because while the sun's tidal effect is

1021
00:51:01,449 --> 00:50:58,509
less than the moon it is nonetheless

1022
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:01,459
significant and should we not forget the

1023
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:04,849
fact that at sometimes perigee the

1024
00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:07,430
moon is 50,000 kilometers closer to us

1025
00:51:12,940 --> 00:51:11,059
then at others Apogee perigee and Apogee

1026
00:51:15,789 --> 00:51:12,950
have nothing to do with the moon's

1027
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:15,799
phases this difference in distance

1028
00:51:21,059 --> 00:51:19,089
remembering the inverse square rule

1029
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:21,069
certainly should have a greater effect

1030
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:24,049
then would the different phases

1031
00:51:30,729 --> 00:51:28,880
why then as the perigee effect not

1032
00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:30,739
become part of our folklore

1033
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:33,940
I suggest that no one apart from a few

1034
00:51:40,479 --> 00:51:36,920
astronomers has any idea when the moon

1035
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:40,489
is at perigee or indeed that such a

1036
00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:44,150
thing as perigee even exists while

1037
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:46,279
everyone has been exposed through the

1038
00:51:51,579 --> 00:51:48,890
media to the full moon effect mythology

1039
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:51,589
and only has to look at the night sky to

1040
00:51:57,309 --> 00:51:54,049
determine when there is a full moon

1041
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:57,319
unless we accept the mysterious energies

1042
00:52:00,819 --> 00:51:58,970
unknown to science

1043
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:00,829
which have been covered before in this

1044
00:52:06,009 --> 00:52:04,220
magazine volume 10 number one and for

1045
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:06,019
which there is no evidence outside the

1046
00:52:10,209 --> 00:52:07,849
thieve of imaginations of those who

1047
00:52:12,910 --> 00:52:10,219
would postulate a paranormal view of the

1048
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:12,920
world we have to assume that any full

1049
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:16,180
moon effect must be mediated by either

1050
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:19,130
gravitational or electromagnetic

1051
00:52:25,769 --> 00:52:22,670
radiation gravity as shown above would

1052
00:52:28,209 --> 00:52:25,779
appear to be a very poor candidate and

1053
00:52:31,709 --> 00:52:28,219
electromagnetic radiation would appear

1054
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:31,719
to be even worse the only difference in

1055
00:52:36,969 --> 00:52:34,430
electromagnetic radiation we experience

1056
00:52:39,549 --> 00:52:36,979
at different phases of the Moon is in

1057
00:52:42,339 --> 00:52:39,559
the amount of reflected sunlight we see

1058
00:52:45,339 --> 00:52:42,349
if reflected sunlight can have such an

1059
00:52:48,219 --> 00:52:45,349
effect then we should experience a very

1060
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:48,229
much more noticeable effect between day

1061
00:52:53,469 --> 00:52:51,529
and night here on earth we certainly get

1062
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:53,479
orders of magnitude more sunlight

1063
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,049
reflected from our own planet on any day

1064
00:53:02,559 --> 00:52:59,839
than we do from a few pathetic glimmers

1065
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:02,569
from moonlight no matter how full the

1066
00:53:08,829 --> 00:53:05,630
moon regardless of how irrational it may

1067
00:53:11,469 --> 00:53:08,839
appear if there is indeed a lunar effect

1068
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:11,479
then somehow we should be able to work

1069
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:14,450
out how it occurs we human beings have

1070
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:16,369
managed to solve far more difficult

1071
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,410
problems than this as

1072
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:20,480
non-scientist who has ever read about

1073
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:22,490
relativity and quantum physics will

1074
00:53:28,450 --> 00:53:25,730
attest but as it has been stated many

1075
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:28,460
times before in this magazine there is

1076
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:30,260
not much point in wasting time on

1077
00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:32,569
discovering how something occurs until

1078
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:36,020
it has been established that it does

1079
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:38,900
occur until there is a great deal more

1080
00:53:45,609 --> 00:53:42,410
evidence that there is a lunar effect we

1081
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:45,619
are perfectly entitled to regard it as

1082
00:53:55,329 --> 00:53:52,670
nothing more than moonshine and that was

1083
00:53:58,029 --> 00:53:55,339
full moon and empty heads by Barry

1084
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,039
Williams published in the skeptic

1085
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:00,079
magazine the journal from Australian

1086
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:06,870
skeptics volume 11 number one from 1991

1087
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:09,210
and that issue together with other

1088
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:12,450
issues going back to 1981 a yours free

1089
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Tuesday the 3rd of September from 7:30

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p.m. we have a talk

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stem looking beyond the surface to see

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what it is and what it's not now I've

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had the pleasure

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and press stop here we go say it almost

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it almost sounds like you've done this

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before

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No and now we're speaking to Jay diamond

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here on the skeptics and Jay we have to

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play the dice game delightful we do we

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don't why do you have a dice

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I don't you have dice you know hard time

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playing Sheila's gonna give some dice

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all right folks as you know well some of

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you know at the end of the show every

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week not every week a lot of times holy

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Mac look at this it's a lot of dice

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we've got a d20 goodness beautiful those

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are beautiful

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what's that one that's a D that's a d20

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there's such a deep let's play with the

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D train oh it's beautiful what we're

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going to play with the d20 yes so the

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idea is I'm gonna roll this three times

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and folks at home listening in your car

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listening jogging walking the dog doing

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the dishes whatever you're doing and you

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long-distance truck drivers in Canada

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Canada Jay central Canada central Canada

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who write to me one anyway alright so I

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want you to use your everybody laughs in

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a minute really I want you to use your

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psychic powers

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losing the pluck to guess guess I'm

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sorry to predict the number that's gonna

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cover are you are you going to predict

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I'm going to predict it okay 1 2 20 what

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what is your prediction it is a 7 horse

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is there any question really and you can

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be my independent judges so this is real

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right here we go this is real I'm

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rolling the dice now it's a 7

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[Laughter]

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9:19 it might not be seven no that's

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nowhere on that dice

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so this some are okay dice okay the

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first numbers it is 1919 what's your do

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next prediction it is it is 14 mm 14

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here we go it's definitely 14 definitely

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huh what's that that is 17 I was only

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three away you're getting your hopes up

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Greenlee closing question obviously

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obviously you have one more shot at this

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come on it's for four obviously shaking

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it now and easily three only one away